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MINUTES OF PUBLIC HEARING
MORTON GROVE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
SEPTEMBER 19, 1988
COMMISSIONERS PRESENT COMMISSIONERS ABSENT
S. Blonz J. Karp
R. Brenner
H. Grand
E. Kanzer
L. Strybel
L. Bloomfield, Chairman
CALL TO ORDER
Chairman Bloomfield called the Morton Grove Zoning Board of Appeals
to order at 7:30 p.m.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
Commissioner Kanzer made a motion for the approval of the minutes of
the August 23, 1988 meeting as submitted. Commissioner Grand
seconded the motion. The motion was approved by a vote of Yes - 6;
No - 0; Absent - 1.
CASE 1159
Chairman Bloomfield mentioned that Case 1159, Wayne Gripman of 8224
N. Central, applicant, requesting variations from Sections 12 -3 -7C,
12- 5B -3A, 12- 5B -3B, 12- 5B -4B(1) and 12- 5B -4B(2) will not be heard
for the reason that the this case had been heard in February 1988 and
that it is extremely similar, therefore, the petitioner has to wait
for at least a year to be heard.
CASE 1153:
APPLICANT: Warren V. Doyle
PROPERTY LOCATION: 7319 Palma Lane
PETITION: Requesting variations from Sections 12 -5A -4A and
12- 5A -4B(2) of the Village Code of Morton Grove
law for a deck in the front and side yards of a
corner lot:
Front Yard:
Required -
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25.0 feet
Proposed - 22.R feet
(After the Fact)
Variation Requested - 2.2 feet
Side Yard:
Required - 25.0 feet
Proposed - 19.25 feet
(After the Fact)
Variation Requested - 5.75 feet
The parcel is located in the R -1 Single - Family
Residence District commonly known as 7319 Palma
Lane.
Mr. Doyle the owner was present. He said that the plat of survey was
updated. The front yard is facing Palma with the following varia-
tions: front yard requested: 251, proposed: 17.07', and variation re-
quested 7.93'; side yard (facing Foster) requested: 25', proposed
22.74' after the fact, and variation requested 2.26'. Mr. McMahon
said that it should be the reverse. Foster Avenue should be the
front otherwise the backyard will not conform.
Chairman Bloomfield said that having observed the property and the
use of the deck, that his major concern at this time is that he wants
to assure that this deck remain a deck and never have any kind of
cover extended over a portion of this deck.
Commissioner Kanzer said that with the 2' height it blends in very
nicely and from the appearance standpoint it does not appear tc be
requiring much of a variation. Mr. Doyle said that his son is a
landscaper and he will landscape the northside. They will put bushes
around so that the wood deck will be hidden.
Commissioner Brenner said that Mr. Doyle is in a unique situation.
Because of miscommunication on his part and the Building Department
that caused the delay getting a permit. Commissioner Brenner said
she is considering this in favor of the applicant. Commissioner
Brenner commended the applicant's landscaping being done very nicely.
However, Commissioner Brenner said that she does not want this to
set a precedent. She wants the Commission to adopt a deck ordinance
to address this new trend in home building.
Commissioner Strybel said the first time he saw the property, it
seems that the front yard was turned into a backyard with the storage
of mats thrown up against the front window. Mr. Doyle said that was
only done because of the rain and that this is only temporary. Com-
missioner Strybel disagreed since every time he has driven past, the
condition has remained the same.
Chairman Bloomfield called for any interested parties from the
audience. No one came forward. For the record, Chairman Bloomfield
indicated that the adjacent property owners were not present. All
neighbors were previously determined to be in favor of his request.
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Commissioner Blonz said that he is familiar with the applicant.
However, Commissioner Blonz said that he agrees with the concerns of
Commissioner Brenner that the Commission does not start any prece-
dent of allowing decks in the front yard. Because of the uniqueness
of this case, Commissioner Blonz made a motion to accept this request
for variations from Sections 12 -5A -4A and 12- 5A -4B(2) as follows:
side yard required 251; proposed 17.07', and variation requested
7.93'; front yard required 25', proposed 22.741, and variation re-
quested 2.26'. Chairman Bloomfield added that this deck remain, a
deck without cover, that the deck should not be used a storage, and
that this variation is only for this deck and any other intrusion to
this yard would have to come back to this Commission. Mr. McMahon,
Building Commissioner, said that any other structure added to this
case will have to apply for another variation and have to come back
to the Board.
Commissioner Brenner seconded the amended motion.
THE VOTING:
Commissioner
Blonz:
Yes
Commissioner
Brenner:
Yes
Commissioner
Grand:
Yes
Commissioner
Kanzer:
Yes
Commissioner
Karp:
Absent
Commissioner
Strybel:
No
Chairman Bloomfield:
Yes
The motion was carried by a vote of: Yes - 5; No -1; Absent -1.
Chairman Bloomfield said that the applicant will receive a letter
from the Commission in a week's time, notifiying the applicant of the
Commission's decision.
CASE 1156
APPLICANT: Agnes B. Heath and Joan Heath Fortner
PROPERTY LOCATION: 8209 Menard
PETITION: Requesting variations from Sections 12- 5B- 3A(1),
12- 5B- 3B(1), 12- 5B- 3D(2), 12- 5B -4A, and 12 -5B-
4B(1) of the Village Code of Morton Grove to al-
low for construction of a single - family
residence:
Lot Area:
Required - 5,000 sq. ft.
Proposed - 3,724 sq. ft.
(After the Fact)
Variation Requested - 1,276 sq. ft.
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Lot Width:
Required - 45.0 feet
Proposed - 30.0 feet
(After the Fact)
Variation Requested - 15.0 feet
Building Height:
Required - 18.0 feet
Proposed - 19.0 feet
Variation Requested - 1.0 foot
Front Yard:
Required -
25.0
feet
Proposed -
20.0
feet
Variation Requested -
5.0
feet
Side Yards (North and South):
Required -
5.0
feet
Proposed -
2.0
feet
Variation Requested -
3.0
feet
Side Yards (Total):
Required -
10.0
feet
Proposed -
4.0
feet
Variation, Requested -
6.0
feet
The parcel is located in the R -2 Sing h - FaTMily
Residence District commonly known as 8209 Menard.
Carole Heath, representing her mother Agnes B. Heath, and Jcan Feoth
Fortner were present.
Commissioner Brenner said the variations requested and those required
by the site plan submitted are inconsistent. Commissioner Kanzer
said that the applicant had expanded the length of the house, as well
as the width from the original proposal. Commissioner Kanter men-
tioned that the Commission had indicated to the applicant as what
would be acceptable. Commissioner Kanter said that the house is
shown as 69' long.
Commissioner Strybel said that in the first meeting the applicant
was told that the proposed building for this property too big. The
applicant, Mrs. Fortner said that at that time thev did not have the
blue print showing the 24' width, which is what they want. Commis-
sioner Strybel said he has yet to see a drawing of a smaller house cn
this property.
Chairman Bloomfield said that Commissioner Yanzer did indicate to the
applicants the guidelines for the size of the house namely, that the
house should be a maximum of 50' in length and 24' in width. Chair-
man Bloomfield said the applicant has gone far beyond that and is
still asking for 5' variztion in the front yard.
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Chairman Bloomfield said that the applicant has the right to build on
this property, however, the Commission has the right to dictate
how much of the property will be covered and what variation will be
granted to the applicant. Chairman Bloomfield said that the ap-
plicant has not recognized that their lot is a substandard lot.
Commissioner Kanzer said that the applicant should be considerate of
the neighbors as the applicant's proposed structure will be closing
off the rear yard openness of their neighbors. With only a 3' side
yard the building will be right on top of their yards.
The applicant asked for a 3' variation to the front. Commissioner
Kanzer said no variation should be granted at all. The applicant said
their mother wants a family room; Commissioner Kanzer indicated that
the applicant will have to give up something because the applicant
has a substandard lot. Chairman Bloomfield said that the plan showed
a three- bedroom house and that it is understandable the desire for a
family room, however, the neighbors may also want an open space left.
Commissioner Blonz said it is unlikely that this plan will work.
Commissioner Brenner suggested that it would be to the benefit of the
applicant to go to back their architect with the exact requirements
as presented to them by the Board.
Commissioner Kanzer stated that the applicant should abide by the 50'
length that the Board suggested previously. The applicant said that
they will have a big yard that they will not need. Commissioner
Strybel said they could have any size of the house they want on
another lot, but on this lot the applicant is restricted.
The applicant asked if the house can be 63' long. Commissioner Kan-
zer said that it is too optimistic for their substandard lot. Com-
missioner Kanzer said the house cannot be sticking out to the back-
yard and shutting off light and air to the neighbors on both sides.
Chairman Bloomfield asked for any interested parties in the audience
to come forward and express their opinions.
Robert Smedberg of 8205 Menard, neighbor to the south of applicant
said his house is 47' long, 24' wide and is on a 60' lot with a car-
port on the side.
Bill Pazen of 8206 Mango said his house is 27' x 371.
Mr. Smedberg and Mr. Pazen, and other neighbors present expressed
concern over the alley being opened up.
Commissioner Brenner said that in the first meeting the applicant had
been asked to come back with the costs involved in opening the alley
and to talk to the public utilities such as Commonwealth Edison to
determine the cost involved. The applicant said that the Village
said it would cost $1,700.00.
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Mr. McMahon said that the alley in question is a dedicated alley so
that the public utilities will have a free access right away. The
Public works Department will make improvement at the cost of the
resident. The Village will maintain the alley after it is con-
structed.
Commissioner Brenner said that the Commission does not usually extend
cases for three times, however, she would like to make this case an
exception. Commissioner Brenner then made a motion to allow the ap-
plicants to come back to the Commission for one more time with a
structure within the parameters that have been defined and specifi-
cally designed for this situation.
Commissioner Kanzer seconded the motion made by Commissioner Brenner.
The motion was carried by a vote of: Yes - 4; No -2; Absent -1.
THE VOTING:
Commissioner
Blonz:
Yes
Commissioner
Brenner:
Yes
Commissioner
Grand:
No
Commissioner
Kanzer:
Yes
Commissioner
Karp:
Absent
Commissioner
Strybel:
No
Chairman Bloomfield:
Yes
Chairman Bloomfield said that the case will be continued until Novem-
ber 21. Chairman Bloomfield reminded the applicant that they need to
go back to the architect and that they should bear in mind that they
have to keep the 3' side yard, maintain a 25' setback in front yard
and not to exceed 50' for the length of the building.
Mr. Scheck requested that the applicant submit their materials ahead
of time at least two weeks so they can be delivered on time to the
Commission.
Chairman Bloomfield said that the applicant should submit readable
materials and a minimum of ten (10) copies. Chairman Bloomfield
reiterated the case will be heard again on November 21, 1988.
CASE 1154
APPLICANT:
PROPERTY LOCATION:
PETITION:
Leonard H. Rose
6201, 6301, and 6325 Park Avenue
Requesting a variation from Section 12 -7A -4A of
the Village Code of Morton Grove to permit park-
ing in the Front Yard of Lots 7, 8 and 9:
Front Yard:
Required - 25.0
Proposed - 0.0
Variation Requested - 25.0
The parcel is located in the M L
turing District commonly known
Avenue, 6301 Park Avenue, and 6325
feet
feet
feet
united Manufac-
as 6201 Park.
Park Avenue.
Leonard Rose of 412 Sunset Drive, Wilmette, was sworn in. Mr.
Preves, the architect of the project also was present and said that
they have coordinated with the Village staff and Traffic Commission
and had submitted a revised plan eliminating the truck dock on the
LeHigh side and relocated these truck docks on the center of each
building with access from the Park Avenue. Mr. Preves also indicated
that on the revised plan, the driveway at the Park Avenue -River Drive
intersection was eliminated.
The applicant, Mr. Leonard Pose said that he prefers utilizing the
truck docks on the northside of the buildings fronting on Park Avenue
with direct access off of Park Avenue for maneuvering. Mr. Rose said
that the Village staff suggested we provide for on site truck tur-
naround rather than back trucks into the docks directly from Park
Avenue. Mr. Rose said this would reduce the amount of on -site park-
ing available for the project. Mr. Rose said that he agrees to
providing for on -site truck turnaround, however, if in the future,
additional on -site parking is required by the tenants, Mr. Rose asked
if he would be allowed to replace the truck turnaround with addi-
tional on -site parking.
Commissioner Blonz said that it would not be acceptable to grant the
request at this time, however, the applicant is allowed to come back
to the Zoning Board for a variance request when he feels it is
needed.
Chairman Bloomfield said that the applicant has the option to return,
to the Zoning Board and ask for a reconsideration to change the area
to allow for additional parking spaces.
Commissioner Blonz asked how many times these truck docks will have
to be used. Mr. Rose indicated that each dock would attract ap-
proximately six trucks daily. The applicant said his son made an ex-
tensive survey on the issue of truck docks fronting on streets and
maneuvering trucks on the streets in the surrounding villages such as
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Skokie, Niles, and Northbrook. The applicant said that in these vil-
lages the trucks are allowed to back into the industrial site from
the main street directly into truck docks.
Mr. Scheck said in his conversations with the Traffic Engineer of
Skokie, Fred Schattner and Eric Graepp, Village Engineer of
Northbrook, he was told there are exceptions such as small lots al-
lowing this practice, but with lots of 4 plus acres, there would no
reason for the design to require trucks to utilize the public street
to maneuver so that they can get in the loading area.
Mr. Leonard Rose said that they will agree to provide for on -site
truck turnaround, provided that in the future, if additional on -site
parking is required for the tenants, that they will be allowed to re-
place the truck turnaround with additional on -site parking.
Chairman Bloomfield called for any interested parties in the audience
to address the case. For the record,, no interested parties were
present.
Chairman Bloomfield said that the applicant had submitted revised
site plans which satisfied the requirements of the Village staff. If
parking relief is required in the future, the applicant would have to
re- appear before the Board.
Commissioner Kanzer made the motion to approve the 20' variation re-
quested and to require that the development conform to the site plans
submitted as of 9/19/88 at the meeting. Commissioner Grand seconded
the motion.
THE VOTING:
Commissioner
Blonz
Yes
Commissioner
Brenner
No
Commissioner
Grand
Yes
Commissioner
Kanzer
Yes
Commissioner
Karp
Absent
Commissioner
Strybel
Yes
Chairman Bloomfield
Yes
The motion was carried by a vote of: Yes - 5; No - 1; Absent - 1.
Chairman Bloomfield said that in about a week, the applicant will
receive a letter indicating the action of the Zoning Board of Ap-
peals.
CLOSE MEETING
There being no other business, the meeting was adjourned 9:05 p.m.
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Leonard Bloomfield,—
Chairman
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Emil Kanzer,_ LL
Executive Secretaky